tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15240289.post2216558085493379570..comments2023-12-27T09:00:42.844-08:00Comments on The Workday Liberal: Hillary STILL Doesn't Get Itbhfrikhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10261648934732735275noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15240289.post-35369346469449790212008-04-18T10:05:00.000-07:002008-04-18T10:05:00.000-07:00What got me defensive about the punished with a ch...What got me defensive about the punished with a child business is that the right wing has used that quote to unfairly attack Obama. I apologize for misreading your sentiments in this case. <BR/><BR/>In the same vein, I'm not certain it is fair to hold forth on a quote which he has since apologized for, saying that he mangled the verbiage. Any candidate you have the chance of voting for this fall will have quotes which they have repudiated or may be taken out of context in order to give the wrong meaning. I believe Obama is a Christian, and I know for a fact that he is far more comfortable in talking about his faith and his testimony than John McCain is. I would encourage you to try to be fair on this, give Obama the benefit of the doubt on what he has said and how he characterized it later, and what he actually stands for. Don't let the dirty politics spread by the Clinton campaign cloud your mind in regard to a decent and Christian man.bhfrikhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10261648934732735275noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15240289.post-55723011034303060302008-04-18T08:36:00.000-07:002008-04-18T08:36:00.000-07:00I was joking, as were you, about babies as punishm...I was joking, as were you, about babies as punishment. Didn't you see the emoticon?<BR/><BR/>If Obama wasn't criticizing people who take comfort in religion, why did he apply that designation to bitter people? It is like saying "bitter people go to church." Technically, that doesn't mean all churchgoers are bitter, but it casts aspersions. Obama is giving people an excuse to look down on religious folks and wonder what they are bitter about. That give me serious doubts about whether Obama will defend religious freedom when he is elected.Jeff Colemanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15487617570444403143noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15240289.post-86311099318822556872008-04-17T09:52:00.000-07:002008-04-17T09:52:00.000-07:00Oh come on... Obama said he wouldn't want his tee...Oh come on... Obama said he wouldn't want his teenage daughter punished with an unwanted child. It's just silly for you to compare your situation with what he was talking about, unless your child was born out of wedlock by a 12 or 13 year old mother, which I know is not the case. In fact it is silly for the right wingers to be all freaked out about this quote because we all know that if they found out that their daughter were pregnant, out of wedlock in Jr. High School that they would hardly be overjoyed at the blessing of a baby soon to be brought into their family! <BR/><BR/>Obama did not criticize people who take comfort in religion. And I rather do suspect that our takes on the appropriate level of Godliness we expect in our public servants differ widely. I would just remind you Jeff, knowing how much you care for constitutional principal, that it is my position which is that embraced specifically by the constitution: That there be no religious test to hold public office.bhfrikhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10261648934732735275noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15240289.post-64423237669479713372008-04-17T08:04:00.000-07:002008-04-17T08:04:00.000-07:00First Obama says I'm punished with offspring and n...First Obama says I'm punished with offspring and now you are saying it (because I quoted Obama). That's just the liberal way of thinking. I'm not a liberal so don't see it that way. :-)<BR/><BR/>Regarding Obama and religion, the question remains: Why does he criticize people for finding comfort in religion? Obviously, because that draws votes away from him. Religious folks don't like to vote for abortionists, gay agenda advocates, and other anti-religion types.<BR/><BR/>I think what Obama meant was what you said: other issues are far more important than God. I disagree and will vote for someone who shares my viewpoint. Not that I want to live in a theocracy, but I want my representatives to be God-fearing to inspire them to make moral choices. I see finding comfort in religion as a good thing.Jeff Colemanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15487617570444403143noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15240289.post-77653353030216452962008-04-16T19:45:00.000-07:002008-04-16T19:45:00.000-07:00My interpretation of Obama's comments is pretty si...My interpretation of Obama's comments is pretty similar to bhfrik's, but I see it in a less anti-Republican light! I think he was basically trying to say that people have issues that they feel strongly about that are comfortable to them, and when they're frustrated, they have a tendency to strengthen their support for those issues because that's what feels right to them. There's a clip from years ago when Obama was on Charlie Rose that has him saying basically the same thing but wording it much better. His mistake in this case was making it sound like he was equating religion, guns, and bigotry, but that's entirely inconsistent with his usual message. Considering that he admitted to mangling what he was trying to say, I'm willing to disregard this as just a mistake in wording.Carriehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10038597347405251733noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15240289.post-21212580136182697002008-04-16T12:22:00.000-07:002008-04-16T12:22:00.000-07:00First, let me thank you Jeff for leaving a comment...First, let me thank you Jeff for leaving a comment. It was a long dry spell. If I had certainty about my blogging future after the upcoming layoff, I might try to raise the profile of WDL... but that is neither here nor there.<BR/><BR/>On to the question you raise. First I would appeal to you to consider Obama's explanation on this. He has said that it was "inartful" and that he "mangled" his verbiage. But he also says that the basic message is consistent with what he has said all along, and let me tell you how we Democrats (and Obama is currently trying to win *Democrats* votes in order to be nominated) can see where he is coming from, had he not mangled his meaning.<BR/><BR/>The Republican play book in the last several elections has focused heavily on what we Dems call the 3 G's. God, gays and guns. The people they appeal to with this cultural focus vote against their own economic self interests by voting for Republicans. <BR/><BR/>The mangling came when Obama said these people were clinging to God, and guns because of their bitterness over their economic situation and the fact that our government has actively promoted policies which have drained jobs overseas. He would have been entirely correct in stating that these people have voted based upon the three G's despite all of the damage those votes have done to the other, and far more important issues, decided by the outcome of those elections. <BR/><BR/>I'll be sure to tell your offspring that you're bitter about having been punished by them the next opportunity I get! >=)bhfrikhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10261648934732735275noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15240289.post-72583154207320582512008-04-16T10:10:00.000-07:002008-04-16T10:10:00.000-07:00Usually I can understand the sentiment behind Obam...Usually I can understand the sentiment behind Obama's rhetoric, but this one has me stumped. The only explanation I can see is that he is opposed to guns and religion. He sees those as bad things that people cling to as crutches when times are hard. I can understand his comments on people being bitter, but why the insult to guns and God?<BR/><BR/>Maybe Obama thinks I'm clinging to my guns and religion because I'm bitter about being punished with offspring. ;-)Jeff Colemanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15487617570444403143noreply@blogger.com